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		<title>By: Thomas Nicolai</title>
		<link>http://konsilience.wordpress.com/2008/03/24/since-it-hasnt-been-talked-about-enough-already/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Nicolai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad that you guys recognizing our work. Unfortunately we do not offer access to non-Open Access publications. There are a couple of technical and non-technical reasons. First we wanted to cache the documents locally for extracting references and other information. Having these files "locally" available means just a big performance advantage in processing these documents. Furthermore a lot of papers just disappearing in case web pages are taken down. Therefore we wanted to address the challenge to provide some archiving functionality for future research generations. Its even more important to have these documents available as the drafts and working papers are usually not stored by the commercial publishers. We think that they are an invaluable source and part of the research community. But we will take your thoughts and ideas into our redesign plans for the next release of &lt;a href="http://www.scientificcommons.org" rel="nofollow"&gt;ScientificCommons&lt;/a&gt; this year. So stay tuned for whats coming up later this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad that you guys recognizing our work. Unfortunately we do not offer access to non-Open Access publications. There are a couple of technical and non-technical reasons. First we wanted to cache the documents locally for extracting references and other information. Having these files &#8220;locally&#8221; available means just a big performance advantage in processing these documents. Furthermore a lot of papers just disappearing in case web pages are taken down. Therefore we wanted to address the challenge to provide some archiving functionality for future research generations. Its even more important to have these documents available as the drafts and working papers are usually not stored by the commercial publishers. We think that they are an invaluable source and part of the research community. But we will take your thoughts and ideas into our redesign plans for the next release of <a href="http://www.scientificcommons.org" rel="nofollow">ScientificCommons</a> this year. So stay tuned for whats coming up later this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://konsilience.wordpress.com/2008/03/24/since-it-hasnt-been-talked-about-enough-already/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gavin - Yes, it does. 

I have looked at Scientific Commons before, but to be honest, I had completely forgot about it.  The only thing I noticed when looking at how Scientific Commons works is that they do not index non-Open Access publications.  And I understand the reasons they chose that, especially since they are locally caching the articles on their servers.

However, what I feel would be a wonderful addition is to make use of all the Institutional Repositories out there with preprints available for download but the commercial publisher retains full copyright protections on the published material.  Creating an interface, similar to Scientific Commons but more robust, allowing the linking of those two versions in one place could be a powerful tool.

The net effect is that if there is an Institutional Repository version of an article in a closed journal, then the knowledge contained is still available for anyone interested.

Granted, the user-base of something like this isn't necessarily huge because the vast majority of users of scholarly works don't pay anything for access (the out of sight out of mind thought for those academics in Universities).  I see the user base as being those who want unified access to scholarly work, in general, not just Open Access and not just Commercial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin - Yes, it does. </p>
<p>I have looked at Scientific Commons before, but to be honest, I had completely forgot about it.  The only thing I noticed when looking at how Scientific Commons works is that they do not index non-Open Access publications.  And I understand the reasons they chose that, especially since they are locally caching the articles on their servers.</p>
<p>However, what I feel would be a wonderful addition is to make use of all the Institutional Repositories out there with preprints available for download but the commercial publisher retains full copyright protections on the published material.  Creating an interface, similar to Scientific Commons but more robust, allowing the linking of those two versions in one place could be a powerful tool.</p>
<p>The net effect is that if there is an Institutional Repository version of an article in a closed journal, then the knowledge contained is still available for anyone interested.</p>
<p>Granted, the user-base of something like this isn&#8217;t necessarily huge because the vast majority of users of scholarly works don&#8217;t pay anything for access (the out of sight out of mind thought for those academics in Universities).  I see the user base as being those who want unified access to scholarly work, in general, not just Open Access and not just Commercial.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Baker</title>
		<link>http://konsilience.wordpress.com/2008/03/24/since-it-hasnt-been-talked-about-enough-already/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds a lot like &lt;a href="http://www.scientificcommons.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Scientific Commons&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds a lot like <a href="http://www.scientificcommons.org/" rel="nofollow">Scientific Commons</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry- Glad it was informational for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry- Glad it was informational for you!</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did read this article, for me the side benefits of learning about open access of academic papers, with all of the related websites, was highly useful.  Thanx much.

Larry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did read this article, for me the side benefits of learning about open access of academic papers, with all of the related websites, was highly useful.  Thanx much.</p>
<p>Larry</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HoellP -

I'm curious, what sorts of things do you see a music community doing with a Launchpad-like service?  Would it be simply hosting of the music files by individuals/groups (users and "teams" on LP)?

The main idea I was trying to harp on was how well LP communicates with upstream bug trackers (it can always be improved, but it is doing it better than any other system I know of).  Because of that ability we can do work across many different open source projects efficiently and make sure that the fixes are disseminated quickly.  In the Scholarly Communication/Publishing world I equated "upstream" with different archives of the work: Institutional Repositories, Open Access Journals, Commercial Journals, or I guess even authors' websites, which I forgot before.

Other than the linking to upstream bug trackers (and PPAs) there isn't a whole lot that is different about Launchpad.*  But it is that ability to link things which are the same or very similar in one spot which would "revolutionize" the scholarly communication arena, in my opinion.

* The build system is great, the answer tracker is a neat idea, the translations are awesome; I'm just focusing on a specific part of LP for my idea.  I guess the others could be a part of the Scholar's LaunchPad (like translations) but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be used as much.

Oh, and I'm still not certain that open sourcing LP is the only option here.  The backend stuff is very very specific to the job is does now (code hosting, building code, others things with code) and probably not very "map-able" to other types of content.  The interface is what I was mainly using as my example.  The interface and the ability to link to other places intelligently

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HoellP -</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious, what sorts of things do you see a music community doing with a Launchpad-like service?  Would it be simply hosting of the music files by individuals/groups (users and &#8220;teams&#8221; on LP)?</p>
<p>The main idea I was trying to harp on was how well LP communicates with upstream bug trackers (it can always be improved, but it is doing it better than any other system I know of).  Because of that ability we can do work across many different open source projects efficiently and make sure that the fixes are disseminated quickly.  In the Scholarly Communication/Publishing world I equated &#8220;upstream&#8221; with different archives of the work: Institutional Repositories, Open Access Journals, Commercial Journals, or I guess even authors&#8217; websites, which I forgot before.</p>
<p>Other than the linking to upstream bug trackers (and PPAs) there isn&#8217;t a whole lot that is different about Launchpad.*  But it is that ability to link things which are the same or very similar in one spot which would &#8220;revolutionize&#8221; the scholarly communication arena, in my opinion.</p>
<p>* The build system is great, the answer tracker is a neat idea, the translations are awesome; I&#8217;m just focusing on a specific part of LP for my idea.  I guess the others could be a part of the Scholar&#8217;s LaunchPad (like translations) but I&#8217;m pretty sure they wouldn&#8217;t be used as much.</p>
<p>Oh, and I&#8217;m still not certain that open sourcing LP is the only option here.  The backend stuff is very very specific to the job is does now (code hosting, building code, others things with code) and probably not very &#8220;map-able&#8221; to other types of content.  The interface is what I was mainly using as my example.  The interface and the ability to link to other places intelligently</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments!</p>
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		<title>By: HoellP</title>
		<link>http://konsilience.wordpress.com/2008/03/24/since-it-hasnt-been-talked-about-enough-already/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>HoellP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Greg
Maybe I'm not hitting the point as well, but I just wanted to let you know, that I love the idea of using LP for similar project-oriented work done by larger groups of people over the web.
What directly came to my mind, apart from your great idea, is music, and what grand addition such a community that could be to the worldwide market.
So, in the end it comes down again to the opening of LP, not for other bugwork or coding in general, but for the other communties out there that lack a stable framework to share, or cooperate on their work.
PPAs for music anyone?
&#60;-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg<br />
Maybe I&#8217;m not hitting the point as well, but I just wanted to let you know, that I love the idea of using LP for similar project-oriented work done by larger groups of people over the web.<br />
What directly came to my mind, apart from your great idea, is music, and what grand addition such a community that could be to the worldwide market.<br />
So, in the end it comes down again to the opening of LP, not for other bugwork or coding in general, but for the other communties out there that lack a stable framework to share, or cooperate on their work.<br />
PPAs for music anyone?<br />
&lt;-</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt- Just wondering, did you read my post?  This post wasn't really about Launchpad being open sourced but more about a new way of organizing scholarly works online.

I'm really interested in getting people's responses to this idea.  I may not have expressed my ideas as well as I could (I was in class at the time) so I would love for people to ask questions, Challenge my idea.  Nit pick it. Compliment it if you have to.  But, please, challenge my idea, not some perpendicular topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt- Just wondering, did you read my post?  This post wasn&#8217;t really about Launchpad being open sourced but more about a new way of organizing scholarly works online.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really interested in getting people&#8217;s responses to this idea.  I may not have expressed my ideas as well as I could (I was in class at the time) so I would love for people to ask questions, Challenge my idea.  Nit pick it. Compliment it if you have to.  But, please, challenge my idea, not some perpendicular topic.</p>
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		<title>By: gouki</title>
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		<dc:creator>gouki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm with Matt on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Matt on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: matt lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free software users and developers should not have to give up a piece of their liberty in order to develop better free software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free software users and developers should not have to give up a piece of their liberty in order to develop better free software.</p>
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